...being absolutely desperate for a bloody good shite, and having nowhere to boldly go!
Jonty Parkin
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What was the silliest thing they told you NOT to do?
by goddess_baal inthere was some really piddily-crap that i remember.. for instance, when i was about 17 toe-rings became popular, and one of the sisters bought one....wore it to the kh during the summer with her sandals.
my best friend in the hall wanted one, which of course caused this huge debate about whether it would be okay 'in jehovah's eyes', and didn't it go against the scripture that counsels women against "bodily adornment", blah-blah-blah.
toe rings??!
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- Not to form a band (with other JW musicians).
- Not to listen to Tubular Bells.
- Not to have any bible/archaeolgical/historical reading material, except WTBS stuff.
- Not to take your suit jacket off at a meeting, nomatter how bloody hot it is!
- Not to ask "what do you think about that?", but say instead "how do you feel about that?".
Cheesers, the more I think about it, the more angry I am with myself for meekly acceeding to such cobblers!
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My Apology
by Valis ini wanted to apologize if if offended any by my recent remarks.
i can't say i don't have emotional investment in this board, which is probably one reason i get riled sometimes.
i didn't mean to hurt any feelings by calling those particular threads stupid and ya i snapped.
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Jonty Parkin
Valis, you have proven yourself to be a thoroughly decent bloke! I too apologise for having taken sides. I should have just kept my big gob shut! Anyway, I'm glad you and Corvin have patched things up.
Cheers matey!
Jonty
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My Dissassociation Letter
by eljefe ini have been poking around the forum for a while.
i have looked at a lot people's experiences on the forum and many of them mirror my own.
here is my disassociation letter.
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Jonty Parkin
An absolutely first-rate letter in which you state your position firmly and clearly, but without bile or bitterness! Excellent!
As others have suggested, you must try to get your letter into the hands of as many of your erstwhile associates as possible. Sadly, however, for all the common good sense, reason and balance evident in your letter, you can be sure that, although the letter was obviously read and understood, it's rational impact will have been totally lost upon the closed minds that accepted it as your letter of disassociation.
It is a paradox, isn't it, that reasonable and well aregued points for discussion are consistantly rejected, in favour of the endlessly repetative cycle of meaningless drivel that appears in the WT study articles. And yet the writers of said articles constantly present it as though it's all new, and you never read it before!
Your letter however, now that would make a great study article!
Congratulations on breaking free!
Jonty
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questions from a newbie!
by lfwalli inok i'm too impatient to look through all the old posts..so hear me out.. i'm studying with witnesses, but not yet baptized.
i was raised around the truth.. i've looked through some of the old posts and i have heard alot about the shunning of former "members".
i've been told that this is not a scriptural practice.
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Jonty Parkin
"Shunning is the doctrinal equivalent of being stoned to death."
Frannie, That is an excellently incisive and accurate analogy! Go to the top of the class!
Jonty
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Ray Franz
by oscar inhello everybody i was just wondering if anybody knows how raymond franz is doing or how he is continuing his life outside of the org.
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Jonty Parkin
"Ray Franz has been doing very well outside of the org. Have you read his books ? Crisis of Conscience and In Search of Christian Freedom."
I'd like to read these but I cannot easily order them - I'm a teacher working in China.
But can anyone tell me, is Ray trying to do anything to expose the internal hypocrisy of the WTBS?
Jonty
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things that make you go mmmmm...
by dh inpeople make lots of sounds but it takes something special to make you go mmmmmm... what does it for you?
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Jonty Parkin
Hi dh,
I just replied to you in a frivillous and lighthearted way. But it would appear that the WTBS intercepted my message!
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questions from a newbie!
by lfwalli inok i'm too impatient to look through all the old posts..so hear me out.. i'm studying with witnesses, but not yet baptized.
i was raised around the truth.. i've looked through some of the old posts and i have heard alot about the shunning of former "members".
i've been told that this is not a scriptural practice.
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Jonty Parkin
Hi Ifwalli.
I was a witness for 20 years. I was an elder for the last 10 years of that. I say this, not to impress you, but merely to let you know that I am speaking from personal experience, not hearsay. Furthermore, I do not hate the witnesses, and I have no axe to grind with them individually.
I used to think that the JW's were magnificent, because they had an "answer" for everything. However, to the mind of a rational, free-thinking man, any answer can be questioned, if one has reservations concerning its validity. And you will soon find (if you have not already done so), that you cannot question their answers. The reasons for this are:
- They are not "answers", merely stock responses. They will give you a book that tells you what to say (and therefore what to think).
- Freedom of thought and opinion is not permitted. You may only think and say what the WT publications authorise you to say.
But you know what the really scary thing is? They even have an "answer " for this too! Anyone who "questions" or dared hold a different opinion, are accused of being "disloyal to Jehovah's visible organisation".
Try it, and you will soon find out just how long their patience with you holds out!
Later, when (or if) you go, they will simply forget you existed, rub their hands in self-righteous satisfaction and say "oh well, he obviously never loved Jehovah in the first place."
I hope you can see that I have said nothing derogatory or insulting about the JW's or their beliefs. I am simply advising you as to what you can expect to happen if you continue.
There are alternatives, my friend.
Jonty
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Let's bring these enemies of freedom and human decency down to their knees!
by Jonty Parkin inpreviously, i was content to go my own way and allow my erstwhile brothers and sisters go theirs.
after all, if i am honest, i am equally delighted to be able to ignore/shun those myopic, sanctimonious little turds, as they are to ignore/shun me!.
however, having read many of your posts, i'm downright bloody livid, not neccessarily with the aforementioned "myopic, sanctimonious little turds", but those grumpy, stubborn, conniving deceitful old gits in brooklyn who have created this society of "myopic, sanctimonious little turds"!.
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Good advice all round from all of you - thanks. Yes, I have wasted too much of my time on them already.
And I suppose that by actively campaigning against them, I would be unwittingly playing into their hands, because the drones are conditioned to believe that any words spoken against their precious "Organisation" is conformation of said organisation's biblical legitimacy!
Cheezers! These old gits are clever bastards aren't they? Sounds like they got the whole game sewn up!
Also, regarding the drones, or the "myopic, sanctimonious little turds" as I, perhaps, uncharitably called them at the beginning of this thread, well, I wouldn't want to chew them out on my doorstep. They are not my target. They are just like I was, blindly following orders, believing that they believe.
Nevertheless, I would like to build up a file of evidence of deception, hypocrisy and lack of financial transparency. Especially, would I like to be able to find evidence of occult affiliation, since they bang on so much about the devil, etc.
Can anyone refer me to some good links?
Jonty
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Let's bring these enemies of freedom and human decency down to their knees!
by Jonty Parkin inpreviously, i was content to go my own way and allow my erstwhile brothers and sisters go theirs.
after all, if i am honest, i am equally delighted to be able to ignore/shun those myopic, sanctimonious little turds, as they are to ignore/shun me!.
however, having read many of your posts, i'm downright bloody livid, not neccessarily with the aforementioned "myopic, sanctimonious little turds", but those grumpy, stubborn, conniving deceitful old gits in brooklyn who have created this society of "myopic, sanctimonious little turds"!.
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Previously, I was content to go my own way and allow my erstwhile brothers and sisters go theirs. After all, if I am honest, I am equally delighted to be able to ignore/shun those myopic, sanctimonious little turds, as they are to ignore/shun me!
However, having read many of your posts, I'm downright bloody livid, not neccessarily with the aforementioned "myopic, sanctimonious little turds", but those grumpy, stubborn, conniving deceitful old gits in Brooklyn who have created this society of "myopic, sanctimonious little turds"!
Frankly, I couldn't give a monkeys toss about doctrine or prophecy, but I would like to see the corruption and deceit exposed! I'm sorry if this is a little too strong and I hope not to be to heavily censored, but this has jolly well got my bloody dander up!
What can we do to nail these suckers! What can I individually do, to help bring these cranky, geriatric enemies of freedom and human decency down to their knees?
Jonty